In this podcast episode we discussed with Maria Hughes from Turku, who works as a specialist at Finnish Innovation Fund Sitra. Maria is a biologist who has worked for several years in the promotion of complex systemic changes and circular economy transition. In her current role she is working in organizing the World Circular Economy Forum (WCEF), which is a global event that brings together policymakers, indigenous leaders, youth, businesses, and scholars to discuss about the complex system level changes. In this episode Maria introduced us to her work at Sitra’s Global Collaboration team and her role in organizing the forum. We discussed about the story and the targets of World Circular Economy Forum, as well as the concrete changes in the organization of the economy that have been achieved with the assistance of WCEF. Maria introduced us to the importance and challenges of integrating different worldviews into global and local decision making. Together we discussed about the importance of inclusion and how this could be further improved in the future. **This material was produced by students in the course Sustainable Organising at Hanken School of Economics in the spring term of 2022. The group work assignment of the course was to design a podcast show and produce an episode about a topic related to sustainable organising.***